The moderator, the woman being interviewed and numerous callers kept referring to Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Jackson and the rest of them as "Great Men". Lets get this straight. Great people do not own other people. Period. If I met James Madison, he would just as soon spit in my face and put his cigar out on my forehead as shake my fucking hand. He and all of the men who proceeded him and most who followed were slave owners. By definition, bad people. Horrible, despicable people. And aren't these the same mother fuckers who presided over the genocide of countless Native American cultures. How many points is that worth on CSPAN's list.
"But they are our founding fathers, they wrote the Constitution."
Once again, lets get this straight. They had a grand plan for what they wanted for themselves and those close to them (socially, ethnically and economically close). That grand plan didn't become a set of great, transcendent ideas until they began to apply to everyone. And these fuckers fought as hard as they could to keep those ideas from applying to everyone. People have fought, been lynched, hanged and have suffered injustices to numerous to name in order for those ideas to begin to apply to all Americans.
So lets stop calling these greedy, small minded men; who all but wiped out one entire race and enslaved another; Great Presidents. They were just men, men with no morals, fuck them.
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